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		<title>By: Mark Kozlowski</title>
		<link>http://www.printerville.net/2008/06/04/some-ideas-about-measuring-ink-cartridge-life/comment-page-1/#comment-600</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Kozlowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just bought a new R2880 10 days ago.  Still on my first set of inks.  I have printed approximately 12-14 prints each of which was less than 8x10 on glossy paper at 1440 dpi in Adobe RGB out of Photoshop CS 3. It appears that roughly half my ink is used.  I printed on 2 separate days.  On the second day I printed 8 prints in a row.  After a long cleaning cycle at the start of the second print session it printed 2 or 3 prints then stopped in the middle of the print queue for another cleaning cycle before resuming printing.  I&#039;m quite astonished and not sure what to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bought a new R2880 10 days ago.  Still on my first set of inks.  I have printed approximately 12-14 prints each of which was less than 8&#215;10 on glossy paper at 1440 dpi in Adobe RGB out of Photoshop CS 3. It appears that roughly half my ink is used.  I printed on 2 separate days.  On the second day I printed 8 prints in a row.  After a long cleaning cycle at the start of the second print session it printed 2 or 3 prints then stopped in the middle of the print queue for another cleaning cycle before resuming printing.  I&#8217;m quite astonished and not sure what to do.</p>
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		<title>By: ADERES</title>
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		<dc:creator>ADERES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I am looking for ink cartridges for the Epson RX420. I have bought compatibles in the past but the ink quality is not so great or the chips dont recognise. Any help would be appreciated :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I am looking for ink cartridges for the Epson RX420. I have bought compatibles in the past but the ink quality is not so great or the chips dont recognise. Any help would be appreciated <img src='http://www.printerville.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bonnichsen</title>
		<link>http://www.printerville.net/2008/06/04/some-ideas-about-measuring-ink-cartridge-life/comment-page-1/#comment-483</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Bonnichsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the informative info. I received the Epson R2880 about three weeks ago and I&#039;m planning on sending it back tomorrow. I&#039;m no stranger to Epson printers as I own the 7600 and 2200 which served me very well over the last nine years. I just replaced the 2200 with the R2880 and I&#039;m not happy with the printer due to ink consumtion. When I first received the R2880 I printed three pages of Velvet Fine Art (13x19) and the ink out light went on for the cyan. I called Epson and they sent me a new cartridge, but now after printing eight (8) pages of Velvet Fine Art and three (3) pages of their enhanced matte, the ink lights for light magenta and yellow are flashing. My Photo 2200 would print about two full packs (40 sheets - 13x19) of Velvet Fine Art paper before any inks would need replacing.

To my fellow Americans... I would certainly not recommend the R2880 because of my experience  with ink consumption. I remain a supporter of Epson printers based on my 7600 and 2200 which served me well... but not their R2880!

Regards,
Paul Bonnichsen
Kansas City, Missouri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the informative info. I received the Epson R2880 about three weeks ago and I&#8217;m planning on sending it back tomorrow. I&#8217;m no stranger to Epson printers as I own the 7600 and 2200 which served me very well over the last nine years. I just replaced the 2200 with the R2880 and I&#8217;m not happy with the printer due to ink consumtion. When I first received the R2880 I printed three pages of Velvet Fine Art (13&#215;19) and the ink out light went on for the cyan. I called Epson and they sent me a new cartridge, but now after printing eight (8) pages of Velvet Fine Art and three (3) pages of their enhanced matte, the ink lights for light magenta and yellow are flashing. My Photo 2200 would print about two full packs (40 sheets &#8211; 13&#215;19) of Velvet Fine Art paper before any inks would need replacing.</p>
<p>To my fellow Americans&#8230; I would certainly not recommend the R2880 because of my experience  with ink consumption. I remain a supporter of Epson printers based on my 7600 and 2200 which served me well&#8230; but not their R2880!</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Paul Bonnichsen<br />
Kansas City, Missouri</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Testing a printer&#039;s ink usage can be quite expensive, but here is one test that provides what I think are acceptable results:

Run one test on each grade of paper at every resolution listed in the driver.  A cheaper way is to choose the paper and resolution you think you will use most often and just run one test on that paper at that resolution.

Using your graphics software (anything from MS Paint included with every copy of Windows, to Corel or Adobe or anything you like) to produce a 1&quot; square filled with the color of the inks you want to test (I use black because it is easiest to designate in either RGB or CMYK, and has no other color mixed in). Now copy that 1&quot; square in an 8 1/2&quot; X 11&quot; background (or whatever size sheet you will use) so that the page is as full of 1&quot; squares as you can put there.

Next, print 50 copies.  If the cartridge hasn&#039;t emptied print another batch.  Keep printing until the cartridge is empty, then count the squares printed and you will have the number of square inches one cartridge will print.  

It also provides a fair approximation of the other colors as well as show how sturdy the print heads are (if the print head fails during the test or just clogs up and can&#039;t be unclogged you might have problem).

Any cleainings during the print process will enhance the results because, as most of us already know, many inkjet printers will do cleanings during larg batch printing.  

I hope this helps a little bit.  Although the procedures and results here can give a good idea of how much ink can be used, the &quot;print-a-square&quot; method gives very precise data, and is repeatable, although rather expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Testing a printer&#8217;s ink usage can be quite expensive, but here is one test that provides what I think are acceptable results:</p>
<p>Run one test on each grade of paper at every resolution listed in the driver.  A cheaper way is to choose the paper and resolution you think you will use most often and just run one test on that paper at that resolution.</p>
<p>Using your graphics software (anything from MS Paint included with every copy of Windows, to Corel or Adobe or anything you like) to produce a 1&#8243; square filled with the color of the inks you want to test (I use black because it is easiest to designate in either RGB or CMYK, and has no other color mixed in). Now copy that 1&#8243; square in an 8 1/2&#8243; X 11&#8243; background (or whatever size sheet you will use) so that the page is as full of 1&#8243; squares as you can put there.</p>
<p>Next, print 50 copies.  If the cartridge hasn&#8217;t emptied print another batch.  Keep printing until the cartridge is empty, then count the squares printed and you will have the number of square inches one cartridge will print.  </p>
<p>It also provides a fair approximation of the other colors as well as show how sturdy the print heads are (if the print head fails during the test or just clogs up and can&#8217;t be unclogged you might have problem).</p>
<p>Any cleainings during the print process will enhance the results because, as most of us already know, many inkjet printers will do cleanings during larg batch printing.  </p>
<p>I hope this helps a little bit.  Although the procedures and results here can give a good idea of how much ink can be used, the &#8220;print-a-square&#8221; method gives very precise data, and is repeatable, although rather expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Sergey Fadeev</title>
		<link>http://www.printerville.net/2008/06/04/some-ideas-about-measuring-ink-cartridge-life/comment-page-1/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergey Fadeev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, I completly agree with Simon Griffee. I have impression that printer manufactures conference bargain against customers. Secondly, due to russuan-chinese masters in Russia and other countries CIS rechargeable cartridges and SNPCh(may be translated as &quot;sistem of continuous filling of ink&quot;)are often used in Russia now because one Epson cartridge for 2400 and 2880 costs 480 rubles(22USD). Printer manufacturers wanted high profits so because of this most of customers are obliged to buy rechargeable cartridges and SNPCh.
 P.S. Please, don&#039;t kick me for me English.
 P.P.S. Of cause I think it can be interesting to compare Canon 9500 and Epson 2880. Though the information published on official sites of Canon and Epson says that Canon cartridge &quot;lives&quot; longer then Epson one more than 1,5 times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, I completly agree with Simon Griffee. I have impression that printer manufactures conference bargain against customers. Secondly, due to russuan-chinese masters in Russia and other countries CIS rechargeable cartridges and SNPCh(may be translated as &#8220;sistem of continuous filling of ink&#8221;)are often used in Russia now because one Epson cartridge for 2400 and 2880 costs 480 rubles(22USD). Printer manufacturers wanted high profits so because of this most of customers are obliged to buy rechargeable cartridges and SNPCh.<br />
 P.S. Please, don&#8217;t kick me for me English.<br />
 P.P.S. Of cause I think it can be interesting to compare Canon 9500 and Epson 2880. Though the information published on official sites of Canon and Epson says that Canon cartridge &#8220;lives&#8221; longer then Epson one more than 1,5 times.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Griffee</title>
		<link>http://www.printerville.net/2008/06/04/some-ideas-about-measuring-ink-cartridge-life/comment-page-1/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Griffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Epson and other print manufacturers should indeed be ashamed. The &#039;won&#039;t print because one ink cartridge has run out&#039; business is particularly galling, and I don&#039;t buy the explanation about this being necessary to prevent damage to the print heads. If that is so, then it is a faulty design to begin with! 

Printer manufacturers need to begin thinking about respecting customers and treating them as customers rather than &#039;consumers&#039;. They need to start making products that last and that don&#039;t encourage wasteful usage, even if they need to charge a premium-price. There&#039;s enough waste. &lt;a href=&quot;http://generousalphabet.org/journal/the-epson-printer-ink-scam&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Epson et al, stop thinking about profit above all else, please&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Epson and other print manufacturers should indeed be ashamed. The &#8216;won&#8217;t print because one ink cartridge has run out&#8217; business is particularly galling, and I don&#8217;t buy the explanation about this being necessary to prevent damage to the print heads. If that is so, then it is a faulty design to begin with! </p>
<p>Printer manufacturers need to begin thinking about respecting customers and treating them as customers rather than &#8216;consumers&#8217;. They need to start making products that last and that don&#8217;t encourage wasteful usage, even if they need to charge a premium-price. There&#8217;s enough waste. <a href="http://generousalphabet.org/journal/the-epson-printer-ink-scam" rel="nofollow">Epson et al, stop thinking about profit above all else, please</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: William Newhall</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Newhall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R2880

Epson should be ashamed of them self. They come out with 3800 which hold all nine ink cartridges  now they with R2880 which is the same as R2400 &amp; 2200 which you half to change over photo black to black matted ink, in doing so you waist
 a lot of ink, they know this. They are ripen of the consumers  &amp; they know this.
BILL N</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R2880</p>
<p>Epson should be ashamed of them self. They come out with 3800 which hold all nine ink cartridges  now they with R2880 which is the same as R2400 &amp; 2200 which you half to change over photo black to black matted ink, in doing so you waist<br />
 a lot of ink, they know this. They are ripen of the consumers  &amp; they know this.<br />
BILL N</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Burkholder</title>
		<link>http://www.printerville.net/2008/06/04/some-ideas-about-measuring-ink-cartridge-life/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Burkholder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those using ink jets in photo labs, along side of silver halide processes, the comparison inevitably comes down to out the door cost per square foot of printed paper, usually reduced to, or expressed in, 8x10 inch equivalents.

For silver halide, this includes cost of paper, plus cost of chemistry, plus labor. For ink jet prints, this includes cost of paper, plus cost of inks, plus labor. Capital costs are generally captured elsewhere.

Bean counters will inevitably argue against ink jets for all the wrong reasons. A silver halide print costs roughly one fourth to one fifth what an ink jet print does to produce in very large volumes. But if you trust Wilhelm, it also lasts about one fourth to one fifth as long. 

Add to print longevity the advantages of choice of substrates, process stability, lack of serious environmental issues, and user control over the entire process, and you have the value added proposition sold by Epson, HP, and Canon. 

In the end, an ink jet print is special, and should be priced to the end consumer that way. We do need accurate costs for comparison purposes, but we needn&#039;t be terribly concerned if we properly place ink jet printing in its proper niche, at the high end of the photo printing market. The margins are great there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those using ink jets in photo labs, along side of silver halide processes, the comparison inevitably comes down to out the door cost per square foot of printed paper, usually reduced to, or expressed in, 8&#215;10 inch equivalents.</p>
<p>For silver halide, this includes cost of paper, plus cost of chemistry, plus labor. For ink jet prints, this includes cost of paper, plus cost of inks, plus labor. Capital costs are generally captured elsewhere.</p>
<p>Bean counters will inevitably argue against ink jets for all the wrong reasons. A silver halide print costs roughly one fourth to one fifth what an ink jet print does to produce in very large volumes. But if you trust Wilhelm, it also lasts about one fourth to one fifth as long. </p>
<p>Add to print longevity the advantages of choice of substrates, process stability, lack of serious environmental issues, and user control over the entire process, and you have the value added proposition sold by Epson, HP, and Canon. </p>
<p>In the end, an ink jet print is special, and should be priced to the end consumer that way. We do need accurate costs for comparison purposes, but we needn&#8217;t be terribly concerned if we properly place ink jet printing in its proper niche, at the high end of the photo printing market. The margins are great there.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Lungley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Lungley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order to compare ink value across company lines, I suggest comparing on a preset dollar value. For example, how many prints can you expect from $200.00 worth of ink? I suggest you figure out how much one full set of inks for HP costs (as they ship the most ink per cartridge), then buy as much Epson and Canon ink as possible with the same dollar outlay. Buy all the ink sets from one vendor for neutrality, then load up the printers and start printing.

Use similar papers from each vendor and do a side-by-side comparison. If you decide to mix glossy and matte, the ink loss based on swapping the blacks in Epson would be part of the prints per $200.00.

Steven</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to compare ink value across company lines, I suggest comparing on a preset dollar value. For example, how many prints can you expect from $200.00 worth of ink? I suggest you figure out how much one full set of inks for HP costs (as they ship the most ink per cartridge), then buy as much Epson and Canon ink as possible with the same dollar outlay. Buy all the ink sets from one vendor for neutrality, then load up the printers and start printing.</p>
<p>Use similar papers from each vendor and do a side-by-side comparison. If you decide to mix glossy and matte, the ink loss based on swapping the blacks in Epson would be part of the prints per $200.00.</p>
<p>Steven</p>
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		<title>By: Rick LePage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick LePage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 01:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good idea, and one worth pursuing. 

Weight is something we&#039;ve discussed as an option, although there are some issues there as well, especially if we worked on comparing printers from different vendors. But that, including the cost per ml of ink on each vendor&#039;s part, might give us a metric that is accurate and repeatable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good idea, and one worth pursuing. </p>
<p>Weight is something we&#8217;ve discussed as an option, although there are some issues there as well, especially if we worked on comparing printers from different vendors. But that, including the cost per ml of ink on each vendor&#8217;s part, might give us a metric that is accurate and repeatable.</p>
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